This is scary

Facebook debates...are stupid. Especially with this guy. I should know better. But tell me this isn't horrifying...

Troy: I think its funny that the Liberals/Communists are touting the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” as this great political victory; when they’re the ones who made it up! I don’t get it!? Are they admitting their stupidity? Or proving it?

Julie: As a liberal, I had absolutely nothing to do with its inception, so I can feel victorious. :-) Although truth be told it's not so much a victory as it is something that should have been repealed LONG ago (and in my opinion, it should have never even been an issue), as one's sexuality has nothing to do with one's ability to serve his/her country. It was an archaic policy that had no business being there in the first place (see Troy?? We kind of agree...KIND OF).

Troy: I’m not sure what to think of it. Seriously though, this shows the Libs/Commies two sidedness. As far as the policy is concerned… I think “don’t ask don’t tell” was kind of a good idea; from a common sense stand point. I personally feel ...that don’t ask don’t tell should be practiced in all facets of public life and business. I don’t want to know about ANYBODY’S sex life. Not yours, not my parents, nobody’s. And I know nobody wants to know about my sex life. Now I defiantly don’t think we should make it “law” like the Democrats did in the 90’s, but any moral person should have enough common sense to keep that stuff private regardless of them being a Liberal Commie or Conservative Patriot, straight or gay.

My biggest concern here is how this will affect things in the military. They’re already spending far too much on sexual counseling, sensitivity training, legal matters and much more just by having Women serve alongside men in the military. Millions are wasted each year policing these issues. Now we’re throwing more into the mix. I for one would much rather see those millions spent to buy guns, ships, aircraft and other technology used to fulfill the military’s purpose. I mean let’s face it, G Gordon Liddy said it best years ago on his radio program when he said; “the military is there to kill people and break things”.

Look, I have gay friends, and they have a right to be gay. We'll have to see how this plays out. I’m afraid that this may cause problems among units (no pun intended--see it' already happening) made up of men and women that are not as tolerant as, myself and others may be. This can cause serious issues among troop morale. So yes, this is a potentially large victory for the anti-military left wing. And that is not a good thing for this country and ANYBODY’S sexuality or orientation.

So to Julie, yes, we do kind of agree. Kind of. ☺

I would be interested in have my friends that have served or are currently serving in the military weigh in on this if they happen to read it. I know they would be professional about it, and ad insight we civilian “armchair” Generals don’t have.

Julie: ‎*shrugs* I think it's easy for you to say that the "don't ask don't tell" mentality should be implemented into all facets of life because you're straight. When you walk through the store holding your wife's hand, that's not keeping your s...exual orientation private...but nobody cares when YOU do that. People see you and your wife and know you're straight and it's fine. But if my friend and his boyfriend were to do the same...well, that's just horrible. Even when they're not being affectionate in any way (which in public they almost never are) it's still not ok with most people (around here, at least). I think it should be. I'm not going to try to force anyone to change their religious beliefs and what not, but at the very least people need to understand that seeing 2 gay people in public is not the end of the world, and it's not going to hurt them. Bottom line is, we can try to adopt a "don't ask don't tell" mentality and ban all public displays of affection so there's no chance of anyone knowing what sexual orientation anyone else is...or people can learn not to give a shit about it and mind their own damn business. I'm in favor of option #2...I like holding my husband's hand when we go places. I want the same for my gay friends.

While I may be against this supposed war on terror we're fighting (and no, I'm not pleased with Obama's handling of it either), I am NOT anti-military. I want the finest equipment for our soldiers and I don't necessarily agree w/all the spending in the military on sensitivity training and all that either...the people I know who are currently in the military couldn't care less if their fellow soldiers are gay or straight. But at the same time, a lot of people do not share that mentality and I most definitely don't agree with the military kicking over 13,000 people out because they're gay, so maybe some of this is necessary. I don't know Troy, what's the price of equality? It's a hard issue.

Troy: Julie, I like you. I really do. I’m not sure where you’re coming from though. I don’t see the homophobia you liberal activists portray conservative people like myself to have. Your argument also throws tolerance out the window. It’s ok though. I’ve read the good book. And in the end… I know who wins.

p.s. I respect your right to right to your beliefs, even when they’re wrong, but please keep it respectful. I nearly deleted your post (not because of your argument, but because of your lack of respect in the way you express your views), but it’s a good demonstration and example in Liberal/Marxist /Communist values; which is a strange and historically destructive, failed religion.

Julie: Well Troy, honestly...I apologize that you are offended by what I said. I only say it b/c I have witnessed it first hand, I have seen with my own eyes the blatant discrimination of homosexuals around here and it hurts me to see my friends treated that way. I seem to remember you parading around the office telling people you were taking martial arts to "fight off the gays." This is something even your fellow Mormons were appalled to hear you say.

But once again I am reminded that you and I are always going to think the other is wrong and that will never, ever change.

Hope you have a good Christmas. :-)